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    Hi fellow members!
    Greetings!Im in dire need of help.I don't know if you've encountered anyone like me,but Ive had several WEEKS of anxiety and nightmares due to my incoming trip to the philippines.

    Im actually frm the philippines,taking avacation now with my son here in LA.We were supposed to leave for manila Jan 28th,but i kept on postponing because I REALLY am terrified of the turbulence.

    This will be the first flight ill be flying alone with my 1 year old son,or let alone with a child,so this makes me more terrified than i really am.

    The thing is,i cant postpone any further,as Ill be reaching my 6th month soon,and The least i need is a problem re-entering the US on my next trip.

    Ive encountered a couple of yurbulences,but I had one wch i can NEVER forget and made me traumatized. I was 8months pregnant ,going to LA (this was late nov of last last year) and Goodness,i almost almost gave birth on the plane.It was scary(the flight). I can never forget that flight(via Philippine AirLines).

    I heard that turbulence during winter is worse,so with this flight, i was waiting for the end of winter or pre-spring,wishing that it would be a better flight for me and my son.

    I keep postponing my flight going home now,but my final date is on march 7th,with or without turbulence. Dnt get me wrong,ive had several nightmares about it already.

    Ive disturbed you guys enough,but my question is, is march 7th(pre-spring) okay to travel?would there be less turbulence? and when in the time of the year would be the best time to visit LA(manila to LA via PAL)? your advice will deeply affect my future decisions.

    pls pls help me.id value any reply.I might be the worst fearful flyer you'll ever meet online.

    Thanks so so so much.

    Kim

  • #2
    Hello

    I wouldn't worry too much. I recently flew in some moderate, and it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was. You will be fine. Sit back, relax, and enjoy!

    Originally posted by kimy0907 View Post
    Hi fellow members!
    Greetings!Im in dire need of help.I don't know if you've encountered anyone like me,but Ive had several WEEKS of anxiety and nightmares due to my incoming trip to the philippines.

    Im actually frm the philippines,taking avacation now with my son here in LA.We were supposed to leave for manila Jan 28th,but i kept on postponing because I REALLY am terrified of the turbulence.

    This will be the first flight ill be flying alone with my 1 year old son,or let alone with a child,so this makes me more terrified than i really am.

    The thing is,i cant postpone any further,as Ill be reaching my 6th month soon,and The least i need is a problem re-entering the US on my next trip.

    Ive encountered a couple of yurbulences,but I had one wch i can NEVER forget and made me traumatized. I was 8months pregnant ,going to LA (this was late nov of last last year) and Goodness,i almost almost gave birth on the plane.It was scary(the flight). I can never forget that flight(via Philippine AirLines).

    I heard that turbulence during winter is worse,so with this flight, i was waiting for the end of winter or pre-spring,wishing that it would be a better flight for me and my son.

    I keep postponing my flight going home now,but my final date is on march 7th,with or without turbulence. Dnt get me wrong,ive had several nightmares about it already.

    Ive disturbed you guys enough,but my question is, is march 7th(pre-spring) okay to travel?would there be less turbulence? and when in the time of the year would be the best time to visit LA(manila to LA via PAL)? your advice will deeply affect my future decisions.

    pls pls help me.id value any reply.I might be the worst fearful flyer you'll ever meet online.

    Thanks so so so much.

    Kim
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    • #3
      thanks so much tb_neg!!! have you flown to asia recently?

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      • #4
        I've never been. I don't really fly that often really, it's been all domestic as of late. When I was a very small child I did fly to Europe a lot.



        Originally posted by kimy0907 View Post
        thanks so much tb_neg!!! have you flown to asia recently?
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        • #5
          I have flow to Japan in the winter from Vancouver and it probably was the smoothest flight I have ever been on. Depending on the route you go, you will most likely avoid most of the jetstreams and only have a small part of your trip even like to be turbulent at all...

          My inlaws have flown back and forth across the pacific many many times in the last couple years and have only had one flight where they experienced really any turbulence. I bet the odds of you having a smooth and decent flight are probably really good, and I wouldn't worry about it too much.

          Plus, those trans-continental flights often provide free alcohol, which helps me get through it!

          :-)

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          • #6
            thanks sooo much!ill let you know how it goes.i really really hope it will be if not smooth,bearable

            Originally posted by kingpenguin78 View Post
            I have flow to Japan in the winter from Vancouver and it probably was the smoothest flight I have ever been on. Depending on the route you go, you will most likely avoid most of the jetstreams and only have a small part of your trip even like to be turbulent at all...

            My inlaws have flown back and forth across the pacific many many times in the last couple years and have only had one flight where they experienced really any turbulence. I bet the odds of you having a smooth and decent flight are probably really good, and I wouldn't worry about it too much.

            Plus, those trans-continental flights often provide free alcohol, which helps me get through it!

            :-)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kimy0907 View Post
              Hi fellow members!
              Greetings!Im in dire need of help.I don't know if you've encountered anyone like me,but Ive had several WEEKS of anxiety and nightmares due to my incoming trip to the philippines.

              Im actually frm the philippines,taking avacation now with my son here in LA.We were supposed to leave for manila Jan 28th,but i kept on postponing because I REALLY am terrified of the turbulence.

              This will be the first flight ill be flying alone with my 1 year old son,or let alone with a child,so this makes me more terrified than i really am.

              The thing is,i cant postpone any further,as Ill be reaching my 6th month soon,and The least i need is a problem re-entering the US on my next trip.

              Ive encountered a couple of yurbulences,but I had one wch i can NEVER forget and made me traumatized. I was 8months pregnant ,going to LA (this was late nov of last last year) and Goodness,i almost almost gave birth on the plane.It was scary(the flight). I can never forget that flight(via Philippine AirLines).

              I heard that turbulence during winter is worse,so with this flight, i was waiting for the end of winter or pre-spring,wishing that it would be a better flight for me and my son.

              I keep postponing my flight going home now,but my final date is on march 7th,with or without turbulence. Dnt get me wrong,ive had several nightmares about it already.

              Ive disturbed you guys enough,but my question is, is march 7th(pre-spring) okay to travel?would there be less turbulence? and when in the time of the year would be the best time to visit LA(manila to LA via PAL)? your advice will deeply affect my future decisions.

              pls pls help me.id value any reply.I might be the worst fearful flyer you'll ever meet online.

              Thanks so so so much.

              Kim
              I was once a very fearful flyer. Not anymore though, and it's a liberating feeling to be able to fly and not only enjoy it, but to not even fear anything about it. I admire your courage to face flying again, and hope I can offer a little support.

              There was once a time that I couldn't even think of airplanes without getting a little dizzy. This was before 2001, when it was more possible to have chats with pilots on the ground before taking off. I was amazed by their passion for flying, and their cool precision with statistics. I asked them if they ever feared flying, to which they responded "you drove to the airport, correct? That is statistically at least 30 times more dangerous than any flight." I asked them if they would ever be scared in a crashing plane, to which they replied, "we love flying so much that it wouldn't matter."

              I began to learn more about what makes most people fear flying most. Turbulence is one of them, because it feels so unexpected. What we don't realize is that most turbulence is simply a motion of the plane passing through differential levels of wind patterns, resulting in a motion of only one to two inches in any direction-- that's surprising since it often feels like more. Turbulence is not dangerous to a plane-- weather planes fly directly into hurricanes all the time.

              Often being on a plane feels less safe than driving, for the lack of the sense that we are in control. Don't forget though, that the pilots' lives are on the line too. They are highly trained and many started out as Air Force pilots.

              Keep in mind that in the United States, every day about 34,000 scheduled commercial flights make fly between destinations without incident. At any given moment, there are several thousand airliners in the air. They are constantly in communication with each other and with the ground to devise the smoothest flying routes for passengers. All things considered though, pilots actually *look forward* to turbulence because it makes the monotony of their jobs more interesting. They often compare it to driving a truck. For every hour that a plane is in the air, it's on the ground for three, being serviced.

              There are many doctors in our country, very good and caring ones, who specialize in helping people overcome their fear of flying. The one I saw is in the Boston area (I could recommend her if you wish). I thought myself to be a horrible, off-the-charts case, and totally incurable. In fact she told me that she saw far, far worse cases, and that she was 100% successful with all of them. Within two months, I was flying again without a dash of fear! ;-) She used a combination of techniques. First was information about flying. Secondly I was introduced to a variety of cognitive-behavioral self-analyses which were completely new to my thought processes.

              One example is to ask yourself in real time "on a scale of one to ten, where is my anxiety level right now?" You start to see yourself outside of yourself, ie rationally instead of emotionally. It's fascinating to watch the number go up and down, and then overall, things sometimes tend to settle down.

              Another technique is desensitization. Sometimes the feeling of panic itself is a snowball effect. The inability to breathe well scares us. So, I practiced breathing through a straw to induce that scary feeling. Eventually, I no longer feared it.

              Fearful thoughts tend to be in terms of black and white. They often catastrophize (it's a word now :-) themselves. When you feel yourself thinking these thoughts, keep a log of them, and try to ask yourself if they are founded.

              You are on the right track! Watch planes, think about them, learn about them, develop a passion for them, talk about them. They are marvelous, human creations! Look around and see all the die-hard airplane enthusiasts!

              I now look forward so much to my next flight that I cannot wait to step onto my next flight. Flying is a mind-clearing, transcendental experience which gives me a feeling of elation that I do not get elsewhere.

              I might add too, that paradoxically overcame my fear of flying in conjunction with an in-depth study of air crash investigations and the heroic behavior of pilots in the face of adversity. I began to realize in fact what an intensely regulated industry the aviation industry is. When making your way to your successful recovery (and yes, you will get there!) don't try to tire your mind by obsessing over which airline or airplane is your better way to go. Generally speaking, every flight is as safe or "dangerous" as the next. For example, just because one Air France jet crashed, doesn't make the next Air France jet suddenly more likely to crash.

              I hope that I might have helped you in some ways, and wish I could recommend some books to you that have helped me, if you or others are interested.

              In the end, it was not statistics which calmed my mind. It was the support of caring human beings who went through the same thing, and practice learning how my thoughts work. Practice deep relaxation techniques-- free podcasts such as at meditationoasis.com were of great value to me. I eventually learned to recognize one very interesting thing: an anxious mind has a nearly impossible time existing in a completely relaxed body. Continue to focus your thoughts on why you are traveling, and your destination, and the people you will enjoy meeting at the other end.

              If I was able to overcome a fear of flying completely, I am convinced anybody can. You can do it! :-)

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